Miranda or Ashley for Mass Effect 3?

ashley or miranda Miranda or Ashley for Mass Effect 3?

So Mass Effect 3 is due out later this year and the biggest questions for fans is who will return to be at Shepard’s side? There has been some info leaked and for myself I was happy to hear that the poetry reading, complicated, space marine, Ashley Williams (or Kaiden for you ladies) will be back to help save earth with Shepard. It made me wonder whether Miranda and Ashley could co-exist on the same ship. The fighting between Jack and Miranda on Mass Effect 2 made sense beyond the fact that Miri represents the company that ruined Jack’s life. The two women are hard in their own right and people like that don’t do well within the same space without bumping heads. Ash is another one, so I imagine Jack, Miri, and Ash at a table discussing strategy and the visual I have is of Miri and Jack locking up with the intent of killing one another, while Ash lines up a barrel on both of them… Remember Ash was the one who shot Wrex in cold blood for pulling a gun on Shepard. Honey doesn’t mess around.

So if it comes to an either/or situation, who would be better for Shepard? Miranda, the ex Cerberus loyalist who only changed heart after receiving a well deserved “debriefing” in the engine room, or Ashley the former Specist (same as racist but for Aliens), military brat who has waited around sexless for 3 years for a man who she presumed dead? If we’re talking strictly sex, then Ash is a no-brainer, can you imagine the passion after that build-up? Ya, but let’s keep it classy and analyze their resumes:

Miranda’s Pros and Cons:

She is genetically perfect and was designed to be that way, she has cute bunny teeth, and her biotics can rival an Asari’s. While I wouldn’t call her lusty, Miranda is a soldier so sex isn’t as intimate for her as a regular girl sees it – in The Shadow Broker files you find out that she has used a dating service in the past to satisfy her needs through one-night -stands. Shepard’s sexual encounter with her is on the floor of the engine room… she wears lingerie. Yes, definitely not the kind of girl you bring home to momma. Still with Miranda you get the type of loyalty that comes with the “psycho girlfriend” types. Her only family is her estranged sister, the company that she supported since forever has disowned her and the only person who gets her is Shepard. I don’t see her going anywhere but like most beautiful women, her self-esteem teeters on low despite the high self-image and false bravado she uses to hide her insecurities.

sexy ashley Miranda or Ashley for Mass Effect 3?

Ashley Williams by Manuccio of deviantART

Ashley’s Pros and Cons:

One thing that separates the Ash lovers from her haters is the willingness to understand the character. Ash is like a mean pitbull that only you know as the sweet pet that fetches your slippers for you. On the surface she seems like this cold, military tool whose only motive is orders and preservation of the human race. Under the surface you get a remarkable soldier whose black-listed family heritage has disallowed her the proper promotions and has made her a guarded and lonely person. The real Ashley is playful, a bull-headed tomboy and a daddy’s girl. She follows orders but not quietly, she cries to herself and she reads and writes poetry like her dad used to do for her as a child. She’s also an eldest child who helped raise her sisters. While not a prude, unlike Miranda, sex is the real thing for Ashley, Shepard’s first time with her was on the floor of his bedroom on the original Normandy but the location was due to the tension being so nuclear that they ended up there to release it. Ashley’s naked ass is what landed Bioware in hot water with certain news networks (yawn).

ash and shepard Miranda or Ashley for Mass Effect 3?In the end were it up to me I want Ashley back by Shepard’s side. Miranda ressurected Shepard and the two built a strong repor in the course of the Mass Effect sequel but Shepard sacrificed an important squadmate to save Ashley in the original and when another member went rogue and threatened him it was Ashley who put a bullet in between his eyes. Ashley’s passion made her bitch Shepard out for being with Cerberus in the sequel but how would you react if you found your lost love of 3 years in the employ of the very people that you used to fight against together? The other thing is… Ashley waited… she isn’t married, she isn’t in some torrid romance with another military man, she was going to die old and alone with the only man she ever loved (Shepard) as a treasured memory. How can you not reward that?

Bioware did Ash a disservice by keeping her old model in the sequel instead of showing her during off-hours. That tight bun (the hair I mean), no makeup and military armor hides her beauty, so people with no imagination assume that she’s a dog. As you can see by the above images, a relaxed Ashley is not too shabby so your argument for Miranda’s looks is moot.

So what do you guys think? Look this isn’t a Tali’Zorah article so lets leave her, Liara and Jack out of this. Do you agree with my argument for Ashley, or do you still hate her for saying mean things about aliens?

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  • seb20

    Out of every romance for male Shepard, Ashley seems to be the most normal and believable of them. You either love this character or you hate her guts.

    She’s a marine at heart, not overly the top bombshell attractive, no freaky biotic powers, no emo mood swings or crap like that. She’s really the type of girl you can bring home to momma.

    Nerds have raged against this character for quite some time now, claiming that they ‘bombed her ass’ back in me1 and ‘did it’ with Tali or Miranda in me2. So her presence in me 3 will be somewhat of a bother for these socially awkward individuals. For me however it proved that some did not interact with this character enough to understand her point of views and what lied under her shields.

    Ashley is very extremely loyal to Shepard right from when she was firs introduced. Her racist views on aliens (wtf does this even mean) can be understood to a point, considering the fact that her entire family got screwed after her grandfather surrendered in the first contact war against the turians. She literary had to fight tooth and nail just so she could advance a little in rank. If I were in her place I would punch every turian I crossed for attacking humans like assholes for no serious reason. The fact that she also believes in God makes her more human in my eyes.

    Also there’s no questioning her skills with a assault rifle or a shotgun. She’s not a chief gunnery for nothing.

    Anyway, another thing I want to point out is this : Liara is cool but whenever I look at her all I see is a overgrown hemafrodite smurf, asari are literary the hoes’ of the universe :D , Miranda from mass effect 2 in ‘video game reviewer’ AngryJoe’s point of view looks like a freaking Michael Jackson female clone and I agree perfectly :S

    Tali’s also cool, but she talks like a effin 15 year old teenager so no, hell no.

    And Jack/Shepard needs no comment.

    That’s what I think.

    • http://3godkings.com Greg Dragon

      Whoa, whoa all of your very good points about Ash can be applied to Jack a little bit… I mean she has gone through more hell than Shep’s whole crew combined and when he finally “cracked her shell” it was one of the best hookups I’ve seen in-game. That being said, I have to say THANK YOU for your Ashley write-up because you are 100% right, especially about the typical lazy gamer that did not pay attention to her character development but chose instead to kill her off because she said mean things about the aliens.

      Miranda post ME2 may match Ashley in the loyalty department not having anyone else but Shep, being close to him as his resurrector and owing him tremendously for saving her baby sister but Ashley locked in out of duty and much more initially. Hell the more I write about Ash the more I like her and for all the people talkign down on her appearance, I hear that she will have a nice makeover for 3 and I hope that she is fine enough to make all the haters that killed her off regret it.

      On Miri looking like Michael… that’s sooooo wrong, I look at her and see the actress who voiced her… with some added thickness but I can see where you draw the similarities – she’s pale, has a bad black haircut and makes strange facial expressions. She needs a makeover too… I mean the entire time playing I was thinking… if she is genetically designed to be the perfect woman in form and fire… how come she looks so meh? Jack’s face puts Miranda’s to shame, just give that skinny girl some hair and a change of wardrobe.

      Tali’Zorrah’s voice and dialogue… of course nerds <3 her! She is the quintessential innocent girl we all know from anime. I went through my Tali phase too, but I got over it. And Asari… yes they spread those blue legs very easily but some have that extra spice that makes it worth it like Aria T’loak, I really hope she makes a return.

  • John Casey

    Miranda gets my vote. Keelah Se’lai!

    • http://3godkings.com Greg Dragon

      Keelah Se’lai!

      Ahh a true fan, thanks for stopping through.

  • Alkolol

    My first time I accidentally left Ashley behind. I was so heartbroken and I also missed her so much that I did the entire Saren’s factory level over just to save her. I definitly agree with you. Ashley’s romance is a lot more relatable and I never felt close with Miranda.

  • BKing22

    All good points, but you left out one of the most important things. IN ME2 Ashley’s quick apperence was pretty cold. Im mean after two years she acts like a bitch to you and is upset your working for the enemy and dosent even let you explain why. Both are good options but i like Miranda more, she got you back.

    • http://3godkings.com Greg Dragon

      You make a valid point and I hated her for it but she does email an apology with some poetry to Shepard and tells him that he better not die again (aka: come home alive so you can give me 20 on the floor again). It took me a couple playthroughs to forgive her but I do like Miranda a whole lot too. Mass Effect 3 is bound to be drama, drama, drama.

      The letter:
      Shepard-

      I’m sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I’m not who I was then, and neither are you.

      I don’t know what’s true anymore. Part of me can’t believe it’s really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night… I haven’t let myself think about those memories in over a year.

      I wouldn’t have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can’t go where you’re going, but I can wish you luck.

      Just stay alive out there… Skipper. I don’t know what the future holds, but I can’t lose you a second time.

      –Ash

      Death closes all: but something ere the end
      Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
      Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.

      Just forgive her BKing, she’s a hothead.

  • Agent 47

    I can’t make up my mind on this one. Ashley’s a lot more believable and girlfriendish, but Miranda’s most guys fantasy. I might just say that cause I watch the TV show that her actor she was based off, Yvonne Strahovski. She’s hooooot.

    But Ashley’s flaming at you in ME2′s understandable, she thought you were dead for 2 years, and then you pop up, and are working for what she thought was the enemy.

    Oh, and also, Ashley hasn’t gotten any for over 2 years. She probally has A LOT of built up sexualness. So that’d be interestng in ME3. ;)

    But Miranda is built to be, perfect and the best, in EVERY way. ;)

  • KILLAVANGUARD

    Woah woah woah woah were missing few bad notes on Ashley here we all agree that she was a alien racist and all that but she also was a bit emo to In ME1 everytime someone die she claimed that should have been her, another was that she was super immature always picking a fight with Liara (big cry for attention and big sign of jealousy). Another thing I disagree with is that Ashley would have stayed alone for the rest of her life -_-……. That is bull she just used the military life as means to get her mined off Shepard and once she saw Shepard she reply real harshly to the fact that Shepard was alive again (c’mon tell me who didn’t want to slap her when she started talking like the council) talk about some loyalty I didn’t think twice to get ride of her sheeesh. Now as for Miranda everybody has this notion that she a slut and bitch and may seem that way at first but when you get to know her she just a women with a lot of hardship. Miranda has never been loved not in the sexual way but for who she is she had no real mother figure, a duch of dad, and betrayed by her only friend. The only people that ever give her value was the illusive man so normally she became very loyal to him and that she felt threatin by Shepard being in the Cerberus picture. Miranda just like Ashley has realistic qualities it’s just her reality is a little grimmer then Ashley she can’t give birth to a child of her own, she can’t find love and understanding because man aren’t on her level so she fells alone infill commander Shepard B] comes around (that why she says your a damn near perfect specimens) plus she smart and hot (people need to stop looking at sexuity as a bad thing it’s a advantage if your not hot I’m sorry for you)
    Damn I wrote a book smh :D

    • http://3godkings.com Greg Dragon

      Great argument for Miranda, I did feel sorry for her after The Shadow Broker when you see her being denied the ability to have a baby plus the whole daddy issues thing. I still think Ashley is more realistic (makes sense her not being a genetic test tube baby like Miranda) but ya you jolted my memory and Shepard did have to check Ash constantly on the bickering etc.

      I disagree on Ash using the military to get over Shepard, she was born into that structure, her entire family are soldiers and it is all she knows. Hmm it’s a tough one, I can’t wait to see how it plays out in 3!

    • Dan

       That’s not true.  She is not a racist aka Xenophobe.  She does not hate them.  Her families experience (the first contact war) tells her to be cautious when dealing with potential enemies.  Cerberus is the racist organization and Miranda is a Cerberus tool.  Personally I like Tali the best.  She was willing to die just to be with Shepard.  That says a lot.  GO TALI!!

  • http://www.robbiedraws.com Robbie

    I like Miranda for Shepard. She’s brilliant, unashamed of her beauty, has a good layer of ice to break through, and has very real self worth issues (regardless of their exotic nature). I like that Shepard has to earn her respect and admiration whereas Ashley is pretty starry eyed for him from the beginning. Its fun to watch Shepard push a control freak like Miranda out of her comfort zone repeatedly. She’s calculated to a fault while Shepard makes everything up as he goes along. Plus Miranda leaves Cerberus for Shepard (regardless of romance) and that’s a big deal. She credits them with saving her and her sister’s life, and is risking both by leaving. Turning away from TIM like that was badass, took serious balls, and showed that she can own up to being wrong.

    My main problem with Ashley was that she came across as so… immature. She bickered with people, became easily jealous. Came on to Shepard way too fast. She over compensated for being insecure by being hyper-aggressive and xenophobic. I just couldn’t get past it, even after listening to all her woes. Not to mention it REALLY ticked me off how she went off on Shepard on Horizon. Sure, she’s allowed to be angry that he’s alive and ‘working’ for Cerberus, but don’t accuse the man of turning on all he stands for, not after what she saw him do first hand. Deal breaker right there. He drew the line in the sand and she didn’t cross it.

    I really like the idea of Shepard and Miranda having to adopt kids. The two of them define “Nature vs. Nurture” anyway. Miranda is perfection by design, Shepard is perfection by perseverance. To me that’s far more intriguing than Ashley/Shepard. (Plus “Stop smiling, damn it!” Never gets old. Who else could turn the Ice Queen into a bumbling, awkward mess? XD)

    • http://3godkings.com Greg Dragon

      Sheesh I don’t think we’ll see a better argument for Miranda than yours Robbie, helluva way. You make me want to replay 2 now…

    • Haley

      Well said! I really like the idea that they would adopt kids together as well. There’s something really cute and humbling about that. 

  • Quiversan

    o oooooo i got an idea play 3 playthroughs with th three romance options…its what i did (Except i played Tali,Tali,Ashley i love them both and cant choose)
    Ashley>Miranda at anytime and anywhere

  • TheSpecVanguard

    This decision is soooooooo hard for me. I haven’t played ME2 yet because I’m doing the playthrough that I’m going to take through the series. Anyway, my only fear about Miranda is that she’ll betray Shepard for Cereberus, because she feels she owes them.

  • Simon

    To me Ashley is a little to plain Jane. Miranda is more of that edgy beautiful secretive woman that uonly see in movies. Or in this case a vid game. Despite all this I still really like Ashley just not as much as Miranda. All in all Ashley is a girl but Miranda is a woman

  • Chanda

    I really enjoyed reading your article. You make very good points for both Miranda and Ashley. My Shepard character chose to remain loyal to Ashley. As you’ve stated, Shepard made a tough decision to save Ashley instead of Kaidan on Virmire. Considering they have only been flirting up until that point, Shepard must have felt a deep love and connection with Ashley. I think Ashley’s backstory is very intriguing. People who judge her based on superficial reasons (i.e., she is not that good-looking…suck it, cause she is now in ME3), failed to really get to know such an incredible, realistic, and strong woman. She has issues just like everyone else and is aware of how she deals with these issues. For example, when Ashley and Shepard encountered the Terra Firma protestors on the citadel, Ashley over-reacted and told the protestor to shut his pie hole since he wasn’t on Shanxi. But Shepard said just one thing to her to calm down, which she immediately did. So we have to remember that for 2 years, Ashley thought Shepard was dead. She did not have him to balance her out. Thus, I believe her hostile reaction toward him on Horizon was justified. She definitely still loves him greatly because like your article mentioned, she did not get married, has a boyfriend (as far was we know), or any inclination that she moved on. The fact that Ashley wrote an email apologizing for what she said on Horizon speaks highly of her and how much she’s changed. Additionally, Ashley is a family-oriented woman, she is religious, intelligent (who doesn’t love a woman who reads and writes poetry…I am studying to be a Literature teacher…ahem), and a woman who can kick some major ass? The fact that she helped raise her younger sisters should also imply she can cook (for some reason I see Miranda using the microwave). Ashley is also probably more capable of producing mini Shepards than Miranda (according to Miranda’s fertility problems in the dossiers). Bottom line, Ashley and Shepard have
    been through a lot together. They both have a lot in common (my Shepard is a Spacer with both parents in the Alliance) and Ashley is the most loyal person to Shepard (she is the only one who comes the furthest out on Normandy’s lift during the attack on Earth opening sequence for ME3)!

    • http://3godkings.com Greg Dragon

      Excellent points Chanda and good eye. Some people don’t have the patience to flesh out the really complex characters in game romances so they write the character off just by assumption. Another strong woman that got a lot of flack from speed gamers was Morrigan from Dragon Age: Origins. Still with Ash back in 3, I am hoping that they remodel her (it’s been a long time since ME1), let her hair down and allow the people who split from her out of anger to reignite old flames. The fact that they forced loyal gamers to get only 5 minutes worth of Ash time in 2 leads me to believe that she is going to be a major, major deal in the 3rd one for those who stayed true. thanks for your comment!

      • Chanda

        I absolutely agree with you about Morrigan. I find myself really loving these characters who are so complex that you have to peel away at their layers to really get to know them. Morrigan is also a strong and intelligent woman. Gamers have to remember that she grew up (she probably wouldn’t like that phrase “grew up”) in the forest with just her mother (Flemeth of all people). Despite venturing into human establishments (Lothering), she still finds it an awkward experience. She really is a curious woman who I believe desires to be a part of the human experience. After all, she does stick it till the end with the Warden (unless you refuse her ritual of course). With her constant disapproval ratings, she could have betrayed the Warden a few times and left the party, but she didn’t. My female Warden became really good friends with Morrigan. In fact Morrigan mentioned she considered her like a sister. And that was a pretty open and honest statement, coming from a woman who seemed heartless and arrogant at the beginning. I am hoping that when (she better) come back in Dragon Age 3, she will play a huge role (as well the offspring). I am hoping she will still aid the Warden in some way. Great, now I have to study and you made me want to play DAO again! :)

  • Linny0301

    I personally love Ashley, she’s the best character in the game (besides Shepard) and her love scene is real. I agree with you completely. She waits for Shepard no matter how long.  Miranda in my opinion just uses Shepard for sex like she’s done in her past. Ashley is portrayed as a real human being, she believes in God, sex is real to her, and she has different views of the world,, just like everybody in this world has. 

    Ashley all the way:)

  • Raidonlear

    I have to say I agree with you. Putting aside my dislike for Miranda, Ashley never even looked at another man during her mourning period of 2 years and six days. Unlike Alenko who’s in for a hard time in my femshep’s route come ME3. (if it’s Dr Chloe Michelle I’ll kill her)

    Regardless, your points are concise and very well thought out. I agree wholeheartedly. Her loyalty gave her browny points, but it was her personality that won me over. In the end, loyalty has always played a big role in whether or not the character will be rewarded-Kaidan as i’ve stated before obviously was not ‘loyal’. But I do have to question the infamous encounter comment though. While I understand her obvious distress and disbelief, I have to point out that she does not give Shepard a chance to explain the situation and simply saunters off to vent. That annoyed me somewhat, but I suppose that’s more Bioware’s fault than it is her’s.

    I can’t say I’m crazy about her redesign. Prettying her up is understandable, but I mistook her for Miranda when i first saw her. Not a good approach. Still, she should be able to weather the storm when the game comes out and shows her badassery in all it’s glory. (I wonder who she’ll shoot this time?)

    Although, I have to admit, I can’t wait to see all the cat fights that will arise in ME3 with all those gamers who cheated on her. Call it morbid fascination if you will. 

    • Kstacy007

       

      That’s actually another of BioWare’s faults.  Originally, Miranda was going to be blonde when she first came into the story for ME2.  She was going to be portrayed characterwise to look like the actress who does her voice so that actress would be “playing” her in more of the fashion you see in films/television (both look and voice) like they did with Jessica Chobot in ME3.
      It’s kind of a shame they changed her to have dark hair for whatever reason because it would’ve been more of a nice contrast of characters to have one be brunette (Ashley) and one be blonde (Miranda).

  • Helo83

    I love the Ashley Williams character and for me she was the reason the Mass Effect series is my all time favorite.  Honestly, I simply love the Mass Effect series. Being a former 101st Airborne Infantry soldier, Ashley more than Miranda or Tali or Jack would be the type of woman I would be fighting to return home to-hell Ashley would be in the foxhole right next to me.
    Helo83

  • the undertaker 19-0

    no we want miranda

  • PatrikN793

    Hmm, it’s damn hard! I guess I’ll have two playthroughs, but my main one will be with Miranda. She looks amazing, her face and body are awesome. Her backstory about her father, her sister and her family is interesting, and once you’re trying to get to know her, you find out that she isn’t that ice-cold we all though she were.

    The dossier of her in the shadowbroker DLC was interesting. First I pretty much hated it, but Miranda can’t get pregnant. And when she get the news from the doc, she freaked out and she really wanted a child. That’s why she talked to that many people and asked for their medical records, it wasn’t just one night stands.

    There’s just something about her that makes me like her the most of the romance-able characters in Mass Effect universe. I really want Miranda to be a squadmate, all we know is that she will be in Mass Effect 3, and you will be able to continue your romance with her if you romanced her in Mass Effect 2. Everything you have wrote is good arguments for Miranda, and Ashley as well. Some of the comments below have made some interesting points as well. But for me, it’s Miranda.

  • Needforxbox

    Definitely Miranda.  I never actually felt any closeness to Ashley in ME1, even after multiple playthroughs trying out different romance options.  Then after all they had gone through, her brief cameo in ME2 was cold hearted, and eased me towards Miranda. (Wrex lived in my ME1 playthrough because of my paragon level.)

    I understood Ashleys point of view when it came to a hatred of other species, especially after what happened to her.  However, Commander Shepard goes through the same problems with the council, but in my playthrough still chose to save them.  Guilty by association complicates many things.  

    While I never had any true cons with Ashley, I simply felt a closer connection with Miranda, but all the same would like to see them both in ME3.

  • Guest

    Ash isn’t specist.  She’s concerned for human interest, but she out-and-out condemns the “we’re better than them” attitude, whether it comes from humans, turians, or whatever.
    Pay attention to what she says when she speaks.

  • Jevans

    bravo

  • Amodais

    Is it just me or has anyone noticed that Ash makes references about death and the need to be important again to Shepard. So Tennyson poem is someone returning home who was seen as a hero is now searching for lost glory because he is faced with his own realization that he is getting old and dying. The poem from Whitman is about the death of Lincoln and his sacrifice to bring a nation to war and peace but dying before he had the chance to see it to the end. It’s like she’s killing Shepard without killing Shepard. Think about it people. O Captain My Captain by Walt Whitman and Ulysses by Tennyson. I do like Ash for the most part. Even with her creepy quotes. Miranda I also came to like. Miranda is someone who gets used a lot from men who have great power. She took a big step in walking away from Cerberus and not knowing what might happen to her sisters safety. Ask yourself this… If the safety of your family depended on who you work for and you walked away from that job because you couldn’t carry out an order and something more was at stake how would that effect you emotionally and mentality? Then take into consideration that the one person you didn’t want to trust was now the only one you could. I believe that both of them need to return because Shepard need all the help he/she can get. But for the love of it if Shepard does die this time let them stay dead. Coz saving the galaxy once is bad enough but then  to do it again is worse. But hay that’s  goverment for you.

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